M: It’s a funny world. It’s such a funny world, that we have to depend on money to live. Isn’t that so lousy?

D: Money makes the world go around...

M: I know, it makes the world go round. But it’s such a funny world. We shouldn’t be depending on those pieces of paper to survive, but we do. It’s horrible! The system used in this world is like that. In other worlds, they don’t use this system. They just have enough. They share; so there’s no one who is ever short and no one has too much. Everyone just has enough of what they want and that’s it. There’s no “more” and no “less”; everyone has enough.

If our world had the same system, we wouldn’t have war, and we wouldn’t have hunger. They’re just exchanging, the systems on other planets. They just exchange. For example, if they have to build a road, then the engineers build the road, or the builder builds the house, the doctor treats the patients, the farmer tills his land. They’re exchanging services; that’s all. Everyone has a common store where they come and get what they need, and it’s distributed. Everyone has just enough of what they need: not according to how they work but according to what they need.

There’s no money on such a planet. Everyone uses the same resources and protects the same environment. Everyone is aware of the interrelation and interdependence between each other, and they treat each other like a big family. The food and necessities are distributed evenly everywhere, to every corner of the planet, so everyone has access to them. And each one works according to his or her ability. No one is denied food or the basics of life: no, no! But there’s no money; you don’t carry anything with you to go to buy anywhere. If you need something, you just go in any of the stores and ask the store manager. You can say you need this or you need that, and that’s it: Voila! You can go and get what you want, or he will find what you need. It’s just like going into a supermarket: You take what you want, and ask if you don’t see something you need; then the manager will sort it out for you. But this is without paying. And everyone on such a planet has more developed mentality; they are more responsible, more loving, more kind, more understanding and more enlightened about each other’s values and the values of all beings on their planet. I think their system is more excellent, don’t you think? (Audience: Yes.)

Because of money, we have war, we have strife with each other, and greed and grabbing. And then, more or less, we worship money, more than we worship God. That’s the problem. It should be “In God we trust,” not “In gold we trust.” It’s just a theory right now, but perhaps one day our planet will adopt that system. It’s going in that direction somehow, I see. All the rich countries now are helping the poorer countries, and it seems the brotherhood of humankind is very possible. According to the information that we collect, and we air on Supreme Master TV, the brotherhood of humankind may be possible very soon, and peace is very likely. Yes, it looks like that. I’m very happy. I’m getting more excited every day! We see something nearer to brotherhood, nearer to peace and love and kindness. We can also use that system, ourselves. We just stay with each other and work for the world, and exchange what we have. But because this system in the world is already based on money, we have to go according to that for the time being. Maybe later, slowly it will change.

The mentality of people has to change, not just the system. I hope it will change, because people will be more enlightened and will understand more that the money you keep, you can’t use all for yourself. No one can use as much as a million dollars per day. So even if one person earns a lot of money, everyone else profits by it. Or if he dies, then the whole family or clan will make use of it anyway. So what’s the point of accumulating karma? It can be bad karma anyway, through unethical means. For example, there are many not-very-good professions, like manufacturing or selling weapons, selling drugs and selling or making alcohol. All of these are not very good professions, not very conducive to the owner of that factory. It’s very bad for him, or her; it accumulates very bad karma for them.

And the money they earn, honestly, the owner doesn’t spend all that on himself. Maybe he spends it initially, to have a good car and an airplane. But later, everyone else is using the money, like his relatives, his friends, the employees, or whoever relates with him. If he puts it in the bank, the bank makes interest, and maybe even uses it for some other not-very-good purposes. If his money is used for good purposes, then the owner of that money profits, spiritually. But if not, then he will be also in trouble with bad karma, and that’s no good.

So to be fair, the person who creates all these jobs, like making or selling weapons, or making or selling drugs, the bosses of all these selling systems, they don’t profit much. And they have such headache for whatever they have. Even if they amass a lot of money, they are the boss; it’s so much responsibility! Even for a bad job, you are also responsible. And you attract all kinds of people who come just for drugs or quick-money schemes and are not very honest, and then they don’t really help you very well. They mess up your life; they mess up your schedule; they mess up your plans. It’s not always good to be the boss in such a business. And he has headaches all day long! He has a lot of trouble, a lot of work, and even if he has a lot of money, he doesn’t have enough mood to enjoy it. When someone has so much responsibility and so much headache like that, how does he enjoy anything? He might not even eat well. He might not even enjoy the luxury that he has, apart from times when he shows off with his friends or relatives, or whoever comes and he makes a deal or something. But that is very short-lived, compared to the headache he has to go through. Even if you have a good business, you also have headaches - not to talk about bad business! Then you have more headaches.

Thus, earning money by not-very-good professions, like the ones involving in killing or ones that damage people’s brains, mental well-being, emotional well-being or physical well-being, these are very harmful to the owner of the operation, not to talk about the person who buys his product. So, the owner is the worst. For example, if you manufacture weapons and you are the owner of that company, you have the worst, terrible karma waiting for you. If you own a drug-producing company, you have the worst karma waiting for you. The owner or the boss, the mastermind, has the worst karma waiting for him somewhere - not Heaven! You know where! It will be very bad for this person; he has to endure a lot, a lot of suffering after this life or even in this life already.

But sometimes we don’t know it. I mean the headache, the heartache, the trouble that he goes through and the pressure of it, that’s already hell in this lifetime. But there is worse to come, after this lifetime. Some people do not believe that Heaven and hell exist, so they are doing this kind of job or have this kind of operation. If they did know, if they just had a glimpse of what real Heaven is or real hell is, I think they would just renounce everything. They would go into the forest or mountain alone and repent - even leave family, leave friends, leave everything - just to do penance quick, before they have to fall into hell, after this lifetime.

But this physical body is a big hindrance for every being. People cannot see anything beyond their physical eyes’ distance. They can see only a few meters away. They cannot see Heaven; they cannot see hell. So, I sometimes feel very sorry for all the people who have somehow fallen into this kind of trap and know not how the consequence is so great for him or for her.

But I think the world will wake up. Everyone will wake up one day, and then things will get better. I do pray that, so that all the ignorant people, all those who don’t know the consequence, don’t know hell and Heaven, they will also wake up and see some glimpse of the terrifying effects of the work that they are doing. Or, the good work that they are doing, they can see good effects. If you do good work, you see good effects; that’s for sure. Somehow, you feel it. At least if you don’t see directly, you feel it’s good. So, only good things make you feel good. Bad things will make you feel bad; that’s for sure. But some bad things and good things are also very subtle. We don’t feel the effect so strongly. Or, some people are so insensitive, so busy, and so caught up in their job, their thinking and their way of life and habits, that they just ignore the warning of the inner voice or their intuition, and the moral calling from their subconsciousness. They ignore it completely. Maybe they know it and they just don’t want to hear. They don’t want to know because they’re so blinded by the immediate profit, by the short-lived pleasure of amassing wealth.

But even in this world, if you watch TV, you would know the effect of your own profession. Some people are just ignorant, completely. I don’t know how someone could live, knowing that your production will take people’s or others’ lives, even innocent women’s and children’s lives. I don’t know how someone could live with that. I don’t know how someone could sleep if they’re selling harmful things or murdering weapons that take other people’s lives, and profiting from that. I don’t know how any man or woman on Earth could accept it consciously, in his own heart of hearts, how he or she could accept that as a justified course to earn a living. Do you think anyone could accept that? No! But some people do!

D:  It’s people who have very low consciousness.

M: Yes, very low consciousness, maybe that’s it. Or, maybe they’ve just been trained and they fall into this kind of situation. Their background might have trained them from childhood to do this. And that’s how it happens. It’s a pity we don’t have enough means to convey good messages to everyone. But we do hope that whatever we convey will spread through the air, in a subconscious layer to everyone, without language, and will wake everyone up, and one day the world will become more like Heaven.

The system of money, maybe one day we will just abolish it. Everyone will share what we have. The whole planet will share together, because the planet is not just for you, for me, for him or for her. It has to be for everyone. No sign is written anywhere that the planet is for the rich people only or for Americans only or Europeans only. It’s not written like that anywhere! So we should share everything, actually - technical, inventions, food, knowledge, wisdom - for everyone.

That’s what we are doing, but we’re doing it on just a smaller scale because we are a small group. We’re not like a big empire, a financial mogul or anything like that. We’re just earning our honest money, and whatever we can spare, we share with people. What’s important is that we share the message of love and peace. Now, through the media there’s a way; and it is better. I’m willing and very happy to spread this love and Heaven’s message on Earth so that everyone can have a better life. Because let’s face it: Even if every day I finance giving food to all the African hungry children, for how many lives can I do that? After I die, I cannot help the next children’s generation. But the awakening of consciousness will make them more intelligent and make everyone else wiser and more compassionate. Then they can help each other, and then they also become self-dependent, because they will be wiser and more intelligent. And with the help of other already-able bodies, they will be able to sustain themselves. Therefore I help indirectly. I also help directly of course; whatever we can; we do it all, all of us. But what I mean is the awakening of higher consciousness is the best gift to any being. Then they can wake up and become more able for themselves, to be able to help themselves - in many ways, not just the physical way. Because once you’re intelligent and calm, you can think! You can think straight. You can think: “I’m going to do this and that project to help myself and my family. I will make enough money to sustain them.” So that’s the best help we can offer.

Anyway, so I do hope that one day we abolish all borders. Maybe we have government but just for the service of humankind: no borders, maybe even no money, just sharing and taking what we need. But for that level to be achieved, people have to wake up; they have to know what they need instead of just what they want. What we want is too much. What we need is very little, or much less. That’s why I advise you to live simply, so you don’t have to be dependent on so many things.

D: Sometimes our profession does not give us the freedom or let us know what will be done with our results. (M: I know.) And if someone pays money for our deeds, he often uses our inventions according to his or even other people’s goals who we don’t know.

M: It’s true.

D: So there is always some margin of doubt that we sell our minds or our soul for money. How do we find the balance? Maybe it’s not even possible to avoid that; I’m not so idealistic. But how do we balance that and find the right path?

M: I don’t know, either. The thing is, the whole planet has to wake up. The whole planet, the population of people have to all wake up and rise to a higher level of consciousness. So then, if you invented something good, they would not use it for a bad purpose. It’s not your fault if they use it for something bad; maybe you will not have to feel responsible for it. But the whole planetary population has to wake up to a higher level, higher thinking, and better moral standards. Then everything will be fine. But to balance it, there’s not much you can do, except that you earn money and you have to maybe deduct some of it for charity then. But there’s not really much you can do if they use your invention for something that is not noble. That’s the problem.

That’s why the Nobel Peace Prize was born, because that person felt it was terrible that the invention had been used for destructive purposes. So he changed it and that money is for a peaceful purpose now. That is one way of balancing it, one way to voice the message of peace. Still, we would like it if nothing like that should even happen and that we don’t even need to balance the outcome of our profession. But we have to work for the whole elevation of humankind’s consciousness. And that’s what we are doing; we are doing it together.

Television is for that purpose; it’s also one of the tools, maybe an even more widespread, effective tool. But we’re still doing it in many small ways: Everyone goes out and spreads the message, gives flyers, invites people to a vegetarian meal and serves people a vegetarian meal, goes to expos, gives booklets and gives seminars. Everything we are doing is toward that goal, so that you don’t even have to balance the outcome of your profession.

D:  There are people who might be scared of hell, but they aren’t. There are also examples of people who are very noble but they are also atheist. Yet they feel some inner Master; they feel some ethical standards very strongly, even sometimes stronger than those who practice and believe in God. So is it really necessary for all people to believe in God and hell in order to be good?

M: No, no. If they don’t do anything bad, then even if they don’t believe in Heaven and hell, they go to Heaven.

D:  They strongly refuse to believe. They sometime declare that they want only to believe in something they can see.

M: These are scientists, right?

D:  Not all so.

M: Well, I mean only those people who are so badly engrossed in unethical professions that they don’t see Heaven and hell; that’s why. But for the people who don’t do anything wrong, no one cares if they believe or not; no one wants to force them. It’s just for the people who are really in trouble that I wish they could see Heaven and hell, and then they would stop being destructive or selling destructive things to others to destroy their lives. You understand me?

D:  Yes, Master. What You mean is that their motives are just for profit or some other very low-level motive.

M: Yes, yes. And they will go straight to a very undesirable place.

D:  Is it only fear that can stop that, if they fear something?

M: Yes, if they know something. It doesn’t need to be fear, but if they know the truth behind everything, behind the ways that have been covered, then they would not dare to do destructive things or sell destructive weapons or instruments. That’s what I meant. But if people are morally correct, if they’re doing good things all the time, they don’t need to believe in Heaven and hell. They just know it inside their heart, even though outside they may say, “I don’t believe in Heaven; I don’t believe in hell.” But maybe they do believe, or at least in their subconscious they know it exists. That’s why they’re doing the correct things all the time. So this is just for the sake of discussion. It doesn’t matter if you say you believe in Heaven or don’t believe in Heaven; you don’t have to depend on things of the mouth.

D:  The brain does not believe?

M: But maybe they do believe, or maybe they’re just saying that to look tough or to be in fashion or something. But otherwise, they do believe.