Love Is The Only Religion
An
interview given by Supreme Master Ching Hai at the Quan Yin
Vegetarian Restaurant to Ms. Helen Stone of Radio KLDE, Houston,
Texas, U.S.A. on November 14, 1993.
(Originally in English)
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Q: As we
approach the 21st century, what would You wish for humankind and the world?
M: I wish whatever you wish -- peace, prosperity and love between
brothers and sisters.
Q: Do You
think that there is a message in all the human tragedies that we are witnessing,
one event after the other -- the hurricanes, the floods, the fires, the
earthquakes?
M: Yes, definitely, I think you know. I think all of us know.
Q:
What are we missing? Are we doing something wrong? Are we doing something
to displease the universe or anyone?
M: We are doing it all the time. And we have been doing it for
thousands of years. That is, being unkind to each other; killing each
other; suppressing each other, including our younger brothers and sisters,
like the animals. I know I will displease many people by saying that,
but since you've asked me I have to be absolutely frank.
Q:
Please, by all means.
M: Anything in the universe will return to where it began. Since
we are in the Western world, in the Bible it is said: As you sow, so shall
you reap. And if we believe in the Bible, we have sowed too many things
that unfortunately will yield undesirable fruit for us. Sometimes, it
has accumulated to such a great intensity that individual cleansing or
purification is insufficient, so there has to be a kind of great cleansing
action, just like disasters -- earthquakes, fire, floods and hurricanes,
etcetera -- as you have mentioned. So the only thing to avoid this, to
avoid the fruit, is to avoid the sowing of the seed.
Yes, we have
to start to be more God-worshipping, God-loving, God-fearing. It doesn't
mean we go to the temple and “blah, blah, blah all day long how we love
Hirm; but we have to love in action, love Hirm and love Hiers children.
In the Bible,
it is said very clearly, I think it's Psalm 78. If I'm wrong, please forgive
me because I'm not good at scholarly statements. But it's something like:
Who told you to kill all these she-goats and he-oxen to make offerings
to me. Repent your sins because your hands are full of innocent blood.
If you do not stop all this, then I will never listen to you when you
pray. And when you seek me, I will turn my head away.
God doesn't permit
us to kill even to make offerings to Hirm, how much less to kill to satisfy
our very temporary physical appearance. So, this is the cause of most
of our disasters and sickness in this world.
Scientifically
speaking, we can prove that in America the majority of the people love
red meat and they eat a lot, so their rate of cancer is number one in
the world. Other poor countries where they don't have so much meat, the
rate of cancer is very, very, very low, just like nothing, compared to
America. That is according to the research of all the doctors and scientists,
so don't scold me.
Therefore, you
can see the connection between the facts, science -- and the religious
statements. I'm not saying that we all have to be Catholics or anything.
We just have to be loving and that's the only religion there is.
Q:
Is there any way that our faith can assist us in trying to combat diseases
such as AIDS and cancer? Is there some strength to be found in Your spirituality,
in knowing and focusing more on your soul as opposed to your physical
temple, your body?
M: Yes, there are ways and means,
provided people want to listen. Last night someone talked to me about
how beneficial they have found our meditation practice and my advice,
how their lives have changed, and how many sicknesses have left them.
Even if they have sickness, it's reduced into half size or nothing. Sometimes
instantly. So I thought, "Yes, it's a pity that not many people listen
to me."
And they said,
"Yes. If they all listened to you, the world would be peaceful long ago."
I said, "Yes,
if only they'd listen then no more suffering ever in this world. We would
turn it into paradise in no time."
Q:
Do You see there being something special, something unique about You being
a female Master? About You being so youthful? Why perhaps were You chosen
as You are in this particular form to be our living Master?
M: I guess this is the will
of the Most High, and I cannot do anything about it. I guess we need a
change. Always having male Masters is boring. We need a change. (Master
and audience laugh. Applause)
You know, being
a female spiritual teacher has also some advantages. Like, many women
don't like or feel shy talking to men teachers, so maybe they find it
easier to communicate with a female teacher. Maybe that's why God chose
me to do this job.
Q:
And with our various religions as they are today, why do You believe we've
had such a history of so many different religions? What has man through
the ages been seeking through religion and philosophy? What is that need
that we're seeking to satisfy, or that fear?
M: Yes, fear is one of the reasons.
Another reason is that, we, inwardly are the essence of the Most High.
You know we came from God, otherwise where did we come from? You think
we came from plants, from the wall or stone? So, we must have come from
God, the Most High, the most intelligent, the Highest Consciousness. So
that inner, inherent, latent consciousness always keeps seeking itself
despite all the coverage -- like dust, position, wealth, fame and all
this worldly knowledge -- that keeps occupying our attention outwards.
Then the Highest
Consciousness inside always keeps seeking, not really seeking, keeps telling
you that you are not that. You are not the Ph.D. and you're not this garbage
that you accumulated. You are not Mr. so-and-so, or Mrs. that-and-this.
You are the consciousness. You are God-like.
Before you came
to this world and got a Ph.D., became Mr. and Mrs., and had all kinds
of knowledge and habits that you call yourself, you knew, that is another
self. The real Self is God-like, belonging to the Kingdom of God, are
God children. We're called God's children, it means we are God-like. Yeah,
the God qualities always keep reminding us that we are not this, that
and the other.
Q:Are
we supposed to believe then that we are part of that universal and divine
God energy (M: Sure.) and intelligence?
M: Not supposed to believe,
you just are. (Q: You are.) Now you look at what do you identify yourself
with ?Mrs. so-and-so and I have so much knowledge, I have so much wealth,
and I have such and such habit. All this is not you. You are the one behind
all this and all this is covering us. Therefore we make ourselves suffer
because we identify ourselves with our mistakes, our success, our failure,
our this, that and other circumstances that affect us. We forget the real
super Consciousness, the supreme inner Self, the supreme Spirit which
is God, which dwells within us. That's what the Bible says: God dwells
within you. That means you are God, apart from the body, it's God inside,
nothing else.
Q:
Are we closer to our true Selves when we are children? You were wonderful
with the girls up here a while back. Are we more God-like as children
because we've learned less or is it when we get older that we take on
all those trappings and become too physical and materialistic?
M:
You're right. Yes, when we were born, at least we were cleansed already,
partially, from the residue of the last life or whatever existence we
had. So when we were born, we were nearer to God. We just came directly
from the "resting place," more peaceful and abundant. So that's why children
are more innocent and forgive easily. They have no worries, nothing.
But, the more
we grow up, the more we accumulate all these experiences and then we identify
ourselves with that. For example: I'm an angry person, I'm an agitated
person, and I'm a bad-tempered person. This is not you. It's just that
you grew up with all kinds of circumstances that made you like that. Then
you think you are like that, that is the 'you'. It's ridiculous. When
you were born you were not like that. Or, "I'm an alcoholic." It is not
true.
Q:
There is so much crime in the world now, so much one-on-one violence with
mankind. What can we do to begin to have a greater respect for ourselves
and human lives so that we're not killing one another, so that we are
not so violent and so cruel to one another?
M:
Spread the love message all the time. Always progress positively. It's
better to tell children, "Honey, you..." Just say it in a positive way
instead of a negative way like we most often do. For example, we say,
"Don't be so dirty." Instead we could say, "Honey, keep yourself clean."
And the word "clean" will go inside the mind instead of the word "dirty".
It doesn't matter whether you say don't or do . It's the essence of the
sentence that's important. Most people say, "Don't be so dirty," "Don't
be so cruel," or "Don't be so nasty," this, that and the other. Instead,
just say, "Be kind, be gentle, be gracious, be graceful," and then the
essence of the words will boil down to "kind," "gentle," raceful . And
when everything else is gone, only the essence remains. We always keep
telling children: "You are dirty," "Don't get so dirty," "Don't stay up
late." Just say, "Go to bed early." I make that mistake too. I'm still
learning also.
Q:
Well, American television and all the messages that it sends, the various
media, as a matter of fact, the newspapers, the magazines, the movies
-- do You think that we have a long way to go in order to reorient ourselves
towards a better way of life, a higher spirituality?
M: Yes, we have a long way. But
I hope it's not too long. We try our best. You see everyone has to try.
I was thinking
on the way here. We met our neighbor, and I invited him to also come along.
Then we talked to the driver who let me stay in his and his wife's house.
I said, Why don't you have parties more often and get to know your neighbors.
Start from individual. That's what I did when I was married to my ex,
or last, or what... (Q: Only.) (Master laughs) the best husband. I always
organize parties. At that time I was not practicing Quan Yin Method, I
just meditated with another kind of method, and we were vegetarian.
I thought, in
Europe, the neighbors don't know each other. It's different from our tradition
like in the East or in Africa, people are more friendly toward neighbors.
So I said, "I'll start . I had parties once in a while, maybe once
every few weeks, and invited all the neighbors. Whoever wanted to come,
came. I just dropped the invitation in the box, saying: "Hello, we're
having a Know-Your-Neighbors Party. (Master laughs) Can you come? If they
didn't come that week, they came the next week.
So, if everyone
does this, and spreads love and the message of togetherness, then all
the neighbors will know each other and the whole nation will know each
other. Then we have better communication, better understanding. You wouldn't
fight with the one who you at least know and have dinner with. At least
something will stop you. You think twice before you want to harm him,
at least. This thing will keep people together.
Why don't we
all start to do that? Each one just takes care of his neighbors -- enough.
Then the whole nation will be taken care of and united in love and friendship.
Before we start to talk about heaven and Kingdom of God, enlightenment
and anything else, why don't we just love our neighbor? Very easy.
To be continued next issue...
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